While it is possible to better ourselves by using reason, it is only by the grace of God that people are improved and saved. Consequently it shall perish. Righteous is excellent, exactly what the Lord Taught us.
Ultimately, I had to be honest with myself and admit that I no longer believed. I do not claim to be the smartest person on Earth, but I still find it very sad that they see exactly zero value in my comments which are intended to try to be of benefit specifically for them.
I stopped believing in god when I stopped brainwashing myself by going to church 3 times a week and reading the Bible every day to the exclusion of almost all other reading materials. Those pagan religions which still exist in the New World, in India, and in Africa are not even worth a second glance.
Internal disagreements are usually resolved by the community as a whole.
THAT is the difference, as we see it, in this apparently violently emotional issue! In the opinion of these apologists "finite, semi-blissful promises such as Kali's or Odin's" therefore drop out of consideration.